I'm keeping copies of emails sent to me from my distant cousin, Anthony Prior
connected via the Bernard line.
www.debrissac.org.uk
August 2003
Hello Nick
I was sent a link to your Hubbard Family website as it contained references to
my ancestors - The de Brissac's
I'm still working my way through all the information you have made available -
quite fascinating
I thought you might like to look at www.debrissac.org.uk which
contains some interesting information about the de Brissac family.
If you have a look at the De Brissac family tree in particular you will find
many of your ancestors.
I hope you find this information interesting - let me know if I can help in any
way.
If you have any information on the Polchet family I would be most interested as
well as the Dickinson side of the family (I married a descendant of Cpt Thomas
Dickinson RN)
Kind Regards
Anthony Prior
Hove
England
Nick
I’d be more than happy to help your sister with any family information she
requires - Please feel free to pass on my email address and phone numbers to
them
Over the weekend I discovered some old family papers, letters, birth
certificates, even my Gt. Grandmothers dowry etc. There are lots of
greetings cards from the Cosse de Brissacs to my great Aunt who corresponded
with her in the 40’s and 50’s and I also found some letters from a de Brissac
Dickinson descendant asking if our side of the family were related.
There were lots of handwritten contemporaneous notes referring to the de Brissac
family – and I know that as a boy I was always told that our side of the family
had the stronger claim to the title – in the 50’s my grandfather even tried
resurrecting the title for use in England (apparently during the reign of Queen
Victoria legislation was passed to permit foreign titles to be recognised) but
in those days it would have cost over £10,000 so he decided to remain as he was.
Regrettably I never did find the notes he made to support his claim to the de
Brissac lineage. When grandfather died (pre internet) he believed he and his son
were the last of the de Brissac Bernard line but as I subsequently discovered he
was not alone and there is a growing “de Brissac” travel industry meeting
distant cousins all over the world.
Kind regards
Anthony
Hi Anthony
I have had a quick look at your site www.debrissac.org.uk.
Your family tree is very interesting
http://web.onetel.net.uk/~globalsys/images/Debb%20Tree%20in%20greyscale%20reduced2.jpg
On the image one can see detailed the marriage between JOHN WADDINGTON HUBBARD
and Emma Evans, my Great Great Grandparents.
The connection to the "real" Duc de Brissac lineage fascinates me.
The family details for Peter Abraham de Brissac (1731 - 1768) agree with the
notes from Harriet Ann Dickinson:
http://www.anotherurl.com/photos/family/old_hubbard/HAD_Notes/money.htm
In 1685, Louis XIV revoked the Edict of Nantes because his growing interest in
religion made tolerating protestants impossible. The Huguenots were compelled to
choose between conversion to Catholicism, persecution, and flight from the
country. About 200,000 chose the latter.
The Duc de Brissac were closely allied to Louis XIV: the king's half sister was
married to Henri Albert de Cossé 4th duc de Brissac. The marriage was not a
happy one, and Louis XIV was in dispute with the 4th duc when the duc died in
1698. Louis XIV supported the claim of Artus Timoléon to be the next duc, Comte
de Cossé, 5th Duc de Brissac.
http://www.anotherurl.com/photos/family/old_hubbard/tree/cosse/cosse.htm
I wonder which duc Peter's grandfather was?
Was it:
Artus Timoléon Louis de Cossé, 5th Duc de Brissac (B1668 - D 1 JUL 1709)
(generation gap 31.5 years)
Peter's father, who fled France, was the elder brother of Charles Timoléon Louis
de Cossé, 6th Duc de Brissac (B 1 FEB 1693 Paris - D 18 APR 1732 Paris)
or
The scan of "Time and Chance" Charles Timoléon Louis de Cossé, (1693 - 1732) 6th Duc has been pencilled in.
(generation gap 19 years)
or
A descendant of Henri Albert de Cossé 4th duc de Brissac. (1645 -1698)
(generation gap 43 years)
From "The Dukes of Brissac, history of an illustrious French Family" Henri is a Black Sheep of the family [p140]
Henri married Gabrielle Louise de Saint Simon( d:1684) the half sister of Louis XIV. The union was childless.
Henri's second wife was Elisabeth. They married 1684 + 5 months , ref The Dukes of Brissac, history of an illustrious French Family)
Daughter of François Michel de Verthamon, Marquis de Bréau.
Debts. Henri's property was seized in 1680.
"The Dukes of Brissac, history of an illustrious French Family" makes no reference to Louis XIV's intervention in passing the title to the fifth duke. Henri's cousin Artus Timoléon Louis de Cossé, 5th Duc de Brissac 1668 - 1 JUL 1709 Paris who "entered solemnly the castle in 8th Oct 1700." That's 2 years after Henri's death.
or
Jean-Paul Timoléon de Cossé, Conte de Brissac.(1698 - 1780) An engraving, dated 1595 is mentioned in VICTORIAN HANGOVER Chapter 8.
(generation gap 15 years)
All interesting stuff!
Nick
